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Sorry for the extremely delayed response. Got fairly busy the last
couple of days.<br>
<br>
Yep that tweet was from me. I said it because a LOT of people that
I've talked to got really confused when the .org went down. A few of
them knew about the spam attacks and believed that the .org redirect
to the .in meant that it was a hijacked/malicious site and are
distrustful of it. Most Americans that I talk to believe that
anything that is not a .com, .net, or .org are run by evil hacker
types out to steal their identities. I have been trying to dispel
that for quite some time. There is also a great amount of confusion
about the de-centralized nature of CryptoParty. Most people thought
that cryptoparty.org and whomever ran that site was the "leader". I
have been approached by at least 2 people interested in starting up
their own CryptoParties that wanted to know who they had to contact
to get the official ok to start them. I explain to them that they
just need to start them no permission or consent required it would
be great if they could update the wiki with details but there is no
official way of starting a cryptoparty<br>
<br>
Lastly as for the fact that this mailing list is public once again
goes back to appearances. If the .org ever gets ressurected i think
it would lend a lot more credibility if we moved this mailing list
to the cryptoparty.org domain the fact that it is on a kuix.de while
being a somewhat official cryptoparty mailing list confuses people.
I have spoken with a few people that didn't believe this to be a
"real" cryptoparty mailing list since it wasn't
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:lists@cryptoparty.org">"lists@cryptoparty.org"</a> or something like that.<br>
<br>
Anyways all that aside. I think that everyone who has contributed to
the CryptoParty has done amazing work. I started doing this because
you all inspired me and I believe that it is important to raise
awareness and educate everyone.<br>
<br>
Thanks again,<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On 7/24/2013 3:00 AM, Samuel Carlisle wrote:<br>
<span style="white-space: pre;">> Hey Josh,<br>
><br>
> welcome to the list it is great to hear from you.<br>
><br>
> On 24/07/13 05:32, Josh Scott wrote:<br>
> > Yes I agree its important to gain consent. I have
already had a<br>
> > request from another photo-journalist to come and I
informed him<br>
> > that all are welcome at the monthly CryptoParties
however he must<br>
> > gain consent before any pictures are taken.<br>
><br>
> IMO asking for permission of the participants is the correct
approach.<br>
><br>
> Here is a practical suggestion: at Cryptoparty London, we
made a brief<br>
> announcement at the beginning of the event and aksed all
members of<br>
> the press in the room to raise their hands and identify
themselves. We<br>
> then told everyone in the room that permission was required
before<br>
> photographs are taken. Simple as that.<br>
><br>
> But as Malte said, we need both events that do and do not
allow in the<br>
> press in their official capacity as press. Also, the same
applies to<br>
> guests taking photographs and you will find this culture is
common at<br>
> hacker conferences too- it is just polite to ask. Also we
need to<br>
> understand and embrace social and political differences, for
example I<br>
> believe it is the case that in Germany the law actually
states that<br>
> you can legally require someone to delete a photo of you.<br>
><br>
> I also make myself available for OTR<br>
> > CryptoParties and more private sessions to those who are
trying to<br>
> > be more discreet since meeting at an open public event
might be too<br>
> > risky.<br>
><br>
> Yes, many of the other Cryptoparty groups offer sessions for
activists<br>
> or social orgs and these are often very small, discrete,
private<br>
> sessions. Keep it up!<br>
><br>
><br>
> > At a session like that journalists would be barred.<br>
><br>
> > Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this. I guess I just
felt that<br>
> > since these are publicly held meetings vs. private
education<br>
> > sessions there should be less opposition to the press.<br>
><br>
> I would not say there is opposition as such, just healthy
cynicism.<br>
> There is a great synergy to be had between 'Hacks and
Hackers'. But<br>
> the press is always subject to editorial oversight and,
unfortunately,<br>
> this introduces bias to what otherwise might be a
straightforward<br>
> story: "this event happened, people had fun, people learned
something"<br>
><br>
> In fact we need to be more media savvy and make sure there
are more<br>
> positive stories about Crypto in the press, see 22C3 talk:<br>
><br>
><br>
> I found it a bit disturbing that<br>
> > NONE of the other US based CryptoParties were open.<br>
><br>
> Well the press could have attended as participants and not as
press,<br>
> so in that sense they are open.<br>
><br>
> If we continue to<br>
> > operate in secrecy its going to breed mistrust and soon
there will<br>
> > be one world order type rumors flying about Crypto
Party.<br>
><br>
> a) our main website has always been a publicly-editable wiki<br>
> b) we have a public mailing list<br>
><br>
> Josh, I also had a question for you re:<br>
> <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://twitter.com/scottjosh/status/359804761433833473">https://twitter.com/scottjosh/status/359804761433833473</a><br>
><br>
> "@Asher_Wolf @CryptoPartyFFM @CryptoParty_ @samthetechie
@jselzer Its<br>
> all been a clusterfuck since <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://cryptoparty.org">http://cryptoparty.org</a> went
down."<br>
><br>
> Can you please explain a little bit more what you meant by
this tweet,<br>
> and also outline some ways to make things better? This would
be more<br>
> productive in order to engage the hard-working volunteers
(mostly from<br>
> Germany) who have filled the gap when the .org website
unexpectedly<br>
> went down. I also note that you have used the wiki so thanks
for that!<br>
> <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.cryptoparty.in/dfwtexas">https://www.cryptoparty.in/dfwtexas</a><br>
><br>
> Kind Regards,<br>
><br>
> samthetechie<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> > On 7/23/2013 10:16 PM, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ml@enteig.net">ml@enteig.net</a> wrote:<br>
> >> Hi Josh,<br>
> >><br>
> >> On Tue, 23 Jul 2013, Josh Scott wrote:<br>
> >><br>
> >>> Hello Everyone! I have been organizing a
CryptoParty in Dallas,<br>
> >>> TX USA since January of this year. Last week we
were approached<br>
> >>> by a reporter at the AP doing a story about how
people are<br>
> >>> changing their habits based off of the leaks by
Edward Snowden<br>
> >>> and asked if we could have a photographer came
by and take some<br>
> >>> pictures. I agreed and the photographer was good
about asking<br>
> >>> for consent before taking pictures.<br>
> >><br>
> >> This is great!<br>
> >><br>
> >>> The photographer mentioned that none of the
other CryptoParties<br>
> >>> in the US would agree to letting a Photographer
in. Why would<br>
> >>> you bar the press from doing a story about
CryptoParty? Isn't<br>
> >>> the whole point to get the word out and teach as
many people as<br>
> >>> possible?<br>
> >><br>
> >> But it is not the whole point. The point is in
teaching as many<br>
> >> people as possible _in a friendly and welcoming
environment_.<br>
> >> Many people feel uncomfortable with cameras around.<br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >>> I thought I just saw something about a German
CryptoParty<br>
> >>> getting featured on a network news segment.<br>
> >><br>
> >> Yes. There are some which allow cameras and some
that don't. Both<br>
> >> is needed.<br>
> >><br>
> >> What, in my opinion, is important, is, that the
possible presence<br>
> >> of cameras or other surveillance equipment is
clearly<br>
> >> communicated upfront.<br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >>> Anyways I figured that I should probably alert
people about the<br>
> >>> AP story. Since yesterday I have gotten some
media inquiries<br>
> >>> and you might too since the AP story got picked
up everywhere<br>
> >>> and there seems to be some media interest in
cryptoparty in<br>
> >>> general now.<br>
> >><br>
> >> "Brace yourselves..." (;<br>
> >><br>
> >>> The AP story briefly mentions cryptoparty but
the pictures are<br>
> >>> all from the Dallas CryptoParty from last week.<br>
> >>><br>
> >>>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://bigstory.ap.org/article/nsa-revelations-reframe-digital-life-some">http://bigstory.ap.org/article/nsa-revelations-reframe-digital-life-some</a><br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >>><br>
> Nice. Rock on!<br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >> Sincerely,<br>
> >><br>
> >> Malte<br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >> _______________________________________________
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><br>
><br>
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><br>
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