[CryptoParty] sync with kryptoparty.de?

[MeI]

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Hi,
I think Jochim is making very valid points that we have been
discussing internally, too. The underlying philosophy of Cryptoparty
is non-affiliation to any party.

This has been a given to me, so I might have been wrong but my
understanding of the "synching" approach would not be to mesh in
single identity but rather to establish a structured collaboration
that would be open for others as well but can build on the content and
activity that is ongoing on either side. That's at least how we've
been discussing it locally here.

I certainly agree is that Cryptoparty should not become a part or
sub-brand of the Pirates "Kryptoparty" agenda, but in Frankfurt we
have done Cryptoparties for other local activist organisation who
provide infrastructure etc with Cryptoparty as "guest speakers" w/o
any issues. It's always been clearly communicated that we are
featuring independently of any organisational affiliation. This does
not exclude referencing, of course.

Still, we share a common theme and should build on that, without being
put into a specific political framework.

So far this has not been a problem, but ofc Jochim's right in saying
the electional campaigns are just starting, so this might become more
pronounced in public awareness. So imo we should think about if
there's a way to bring it together w/o being "instrumentalised" ...

M.


jrsusenet-cryptopartyml1305 at yahoo.de:
> Hi all,
> 
> After a short look at kryptoparty.de, I have to admit, that I'm 
> torn apart.
> 
> First of all, a German site is something we desperately need. 
> Having non-experienced users in focus, we cannot expect everyone
> to find her way through an English site to find us.
> 
> Secondly, I am happy about the privacy activities of the German 
> Pirate Party. Being a member of Arbeitskreis 
> Vorratsdatenspeicherung (working group against data retention), I 
> appreciate every kind of political support, and our local
> activists group cooperates great with the Pirate's Bonn-Cologne
> section.
> 
> But: Thirdly, I clearly notice that we're entering the hot phase
> of the electoral campaign for the German Federal Parliament. If 
> there's a demonstration, every second party member is showing up 
> with a party flag, thus leaving the impression that it's not a 
> demonstration of several political groups but a Pirate Party 
> campaign. The first thing I see when opening kryptoparty.de is the 
> Pirate Party favicon, on the top left corner I see the Pirate
> Party sign and on the right side it says "a Pirate Party Germany 
> project". After all a naive visitor must come to the conclusion 
> that at least the German Pirate Party movement is not more than a 
> Pirate promotion tour. Please correct my if I'm wrong, but as far 
> as I know this is not the case.
> 
> I have been privacy officer for the Protestant Church and a civil 
> rights activist for a couple of years now, I very much enjoy 
> organizing Cryptoparties. A big part of my political credibility 
> relies on the fact that I'm not a party member and that I'm not 
> promoting any particular political party. People must not even 
> think that I'm any party's sock puppet. If people get the 
> impression that the mastermind behind the German Cryptoparty 
> movement is the Pirate Party, then in their eyes the whole idea of 
> cryptography for the masses suddenly would shrink to a strategic 
> move to win votes.
> 
> Please don't get me wrong. I state again: The AK Vorrat 
> Cologne-Bonn group has a very well working partnership with the 
> local Pirate Party, but still we're partners, not members. Our 
> strength is that we are open for every democratic party, so 
> everyone is invited to join us, regardless which party she belongs 
> to. I very much like the idea of a German Cryptoparty site, but I 
> don't like being politically captured by a statement leaving the 
> impression that the effort I invest into organizing Cryptoparties 
> has the hidden agenda of an Pirate Party electoral campaign.
> 
> Still, thanks a lot for your engagement, but I beg you to 
> reconsider the page design.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Jochim
> 
> 
> 
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