[CryptoParty] TeleTrusT - Thanks but no Thanks

[fukami]

Hi Jürgen!

On 22.07.2013, at 19:29, Jürgen D. Fricke <jdf at procube.com> wrote:
> sometimes a movement turns the spin from low to high culture. Therefor
> i don't like the idea of an so called social firewall against people
> who knows a lot about IT security.

I think you didn't get the main issue either. It's not that I'm 
against people from the IT security. It's the fine lines where people 
offer commercial services and software - which is the case with TTT -
and security/crypto people helping developing and maintaing FLOSS and
help with knowledge. There might be some relations since also single 
persons earn money from working for one of the TTT related corporations. 
It's perfectly okay if they donate time and money as individuals. But 
it's totally different if you let companies and associations jump 
the game.

I also work in security, but I keep it completely away from
what I'm doing politically (well, as long it's not a question of
transparency). 

So I'm totally fine with Mr. Mühlbauer showing support as Mr. 
Mühlbauer but not as Mr. TTT.

> Please take a look at Robert Axelrod "The Evolution of Cooperation"
> and the REDCODE program tit-4-tat.
> https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tit_for_Tat

The problem with it is the political message TTT gets out of it
(beside the fact that they gather a direct access to people 
attending there). If they want to make a strong statement on 
civil rights, fine, they should do it right way and not by 
relating it to something other (and trying to take over it
in the same move).

Also: They offered help under certain rules (which I see as some 
sort of trojan for things to come). If you let these rules spoil 
the events you are already in trouble and don't say clearly what
it is about (and it's not: "just use crypto" but "use crypto
and help make it more accessible and free for everybody". 


Cheers,
  fukami