[CryptoParty] Media Inquiries

Thu Jul 25 15:17:10 GMT 2013

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Sorry for the extremely delayed response. Got fairly busy the last
couple of days.

Yep that tweet was from me. I said it because a LOT of people that I've
talked to got really confused when the .org went down. A few of them
knew about the spam attacks and believed that the .org redirect to the
.in meant that it was a hijacked/malicious site and are distrustful of
it. Most Americans that I talk to believe that anything that is not a
.com, .net, or .org are run by evil hacker types out to steal their
identities. I have been trying to dispel that for quite some time. There
is also a great amount of confusion about the de-centralized nature of
CryptoParty. Most people thought that cryptoparty.org and whomever ran
that site was the "leader". I have been approached by at least 2 people
interested in starting up their own CryptoParties that wanted to know
who they had to contact to get the official ok to start them. I explain
to them that they just need to start them no permission or consent
required it would be great if they could update the wiki with details
but there is no official way of starting a cryptoparty

Lastly as for the fact that this mailing list is public once again goes
back to appearances. If the .org ever gets ressurected i think it would
lend a lot more credibility if we moved this mailing list to the
cryptoparty.org domain the fact that it is on a kuix.de while being a
somewhat official cryptoparty mailing list confuses people. I have
spoken with a few people that didn't believe this to be a "real"
cryptoparty mailing list since it wasn't "lists at cryptoparty.org" or
something like that.

Anyways all that aside. I think that everyone who has contributed to the
CryptoParty has done amazing work. I started doing this because you all
inspired me and  I believe that it is important to raise awareness and
educate everyone.

Thanks again,

On 7/24/2013 3:00 AM, Samuel Carlisle wrote:
> Hey Josh,
>
> welcome to the list it is great to hear from you.
>
> On 24/07/13 05:32, Josh Scott wrote:
> > Yes I agree its important to gain consent. I have already had a
> > request from another photo-journalist to come and I informed him
> > that all are welcome at the monthly CryptoParties however he must
> > gain consent before any pictures are taken.
>
> IMO asking for permission of the participants is the correct approach.
>
> Here is a practical suggestion: at Cryptoparty London, we made a brief
> announcement at the beginning of the event and aksed all members of
> the press in the room to raise their hands and identify themselves. We
> then told everyone in the room that permission was required before
> photographs are taken. Simple as that.
>
> But as Malte said, we need both events that do and do not allow in the
> press in their official capacity as press. Also, the same applies to
> guests taking photographs and you will find this culture is common at
> hacker conferences too- it is just polite to ask. Also we need to
> understand and embrace social and political differences, for example I
> believe it is the case that in Germany the law actually states that
> you can legally require someone to delete a photo of you.
>
> I also make myself available for OTR
> > CryptoParties and more private sessions to those who are trying to
> > be more discreet since meeting at an open public event might be too
> > risky.
>
> Yes, many of the other Cryptoparty groups offer sessions for activists
> or social orgs and these are often very small, discrete, private
> sessions. Keep it up!
>
>
> > At a session like that journalists would be barred.
>
> > Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this. I guess I just felt that
> > since these are publicly held meetings vs. private education
> > sessions there should be less opposition to the press.
>
> I would not say there is opposition as such, just healthy cynicism.
> There is a great synergy to be had between 'Hacks and Hackers'. But
> the press is always subject to editorial oversight and, unfortunately,
> this introduces bias to what otherwise might be a straightforward
> story: "this event happened, people had fun, people learned something"
>
> In fact we need to be more media savvy and make sure there are more
> positive stories about Crypto in the press, see 22C3 talk:
>
>
> I found it a bit disturbing that
> > NONE of the other US based CryptoParties were open.
>
> Well the press could have attended as participants and not as press,
> so in that sense they are open.
>
> If we continue to
> > operate in secrecy its going to breed mistrust and soon there will
> > be one world order type rumors flying about Crypto Party.
>
> a) our main website has always been a publicly-editable wiki
> b) we have a public mailing list
>
> Josh, I also had a question for you re:
> https://twitter.com/scottjosh/status/359804761433833473
>
> "@Asher_Wolf @CryptoPartyFFM @CryptoParty_ @samthetechie @jselzer Its
> all been a clusterfuck since http://cryptoparty.org went down."
>
> Can you please explain a little bit more what you meant by this tweet,
> and also outline some ways to make things better? This would be more
> productive in order to engage the hard-working volunteers (mostly from
> Germany) who have filled the gap when the .org website unexpectedly
> went down. I also note that you have used the wiki so thanks for that!
> https://www.cryptoparty.in/dfwtexas
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> samthetechie
>
>
>
>
> > On 7/23/2013 10:16 PM, ml at enteig.net wrote:
> >> Hi Josh,
> >>
> >> On Tue, 23 Jul 2013, Josh Scott wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hello Everyone! I have been organizing a CryptoParty in Dallas,
> >>> TX USA since January of this year. Last week we were approached
> >>> by a reporter at the AP doing a story about how people are
> >>> changing their habits based off of the leaks by Edward Snowden
> >>> and asked if we could have a photographer came by and take some
> >>> pictures. I agreed and the photographer was good about asking
> >>> for consent before taking pictures.
> >>
> >> This is great!
> >>
> >>> The photographer mentioned that none of the other CryptoParties
> >>> in the US would agree to letting a Photographer in. Why would
> >>> you bar the press from doing a story about CryptoParty? Isn't
> >>> the whole point to get the word out and teach as many people as
> >>> possible?
> >>
> >> But it is not the whole point. The point is in teaching as many
> >> people as possible _in a friendly and welcoming environment_.
> >> Many people feel uncomfortable with cameras around.
> >>
> >>
> >>> I thought I just saw something about a German CryptoParty
> >>> getting featured on a network news segment.
> >>
> >> Yes. There are some which allow cameras and some that don't. Both
> >> is needed.
> >>
> >> What, in my opinion, is important, is, that the possible presence
> >> of cameras or other surveillance equipment is clearly
> >> communicated upfront.
> >>
> >>
> >>> Anyways I figured that I should probably alert people about the
> >>> AP story. Since yesterday I have gotten some media inquiries
> >>> and you might too since the AP story got picked up everywhere
> >>> and there seems to be some media interest in cryptoparty in
> >>> general now.
> >>
> >> "Brace yourselves..." (;
> >>
> >>> The AP story briefly mentions cryptoparty but the pictures are
> >>> all from the Dallas CryptoParty from last week.
> >>>
> >>>
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/nsa-revelations-reframe-digital-life-some
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> Nice. Rock on!
> >>
> >>
> >> Sincerely,
> >>
> >> Malte
> >>
> >>
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